How to nerf Greatsword withiut ruining it.



  • Only increase overhead windup times, DO NOT MESS WITH STABS OR SLASHES. Stabs are perfectly parriable at this state, just takes skill. It can definitely be delayed quite a bit, but reading this is very easy once you get the hang of it. Overheads, however are much too instant at the moment. If you nerf the gsword stab AND overhead, it will be trash tier. DO NOT OVERNERF IT.



  • Implying Torn Banner will release balance patch. High hopes m8.


  • Mod

    Stabs are still stupid with it, lower the release slightly and they’ll be fine.



  • Moar windup on overhead and faster stab and it should be fine.

    The range they have and draggability the stabs is just too damn high.



  • @Sophax:

    Moar windup on overhead and faster stab and it should be fine.

    The range they have and draggability the stabs is just too damn high.

    thisssssssss



  • @Kim:

    Stabs are still stupid with it, lower the release slightly and they’ll be fine.

    Stab is fine. The overhead windup just needs to be increased to 0.55.



  • @Flippy:

    Stab is fine. The overhead windup just needs to be increased to 0.55.

    Stab isn’t fine. Its too versatile compared to other vanguard weapons.



  • lol @ 0,05 nerf on overhead



  • @Sophax:

    Stab isn’t fine. Its too versatile compared to other vanguard weapons.

    No sense in over-nerfing it. “Let’s take away everything that makes this weapon good.” seems to be what everyone wants to do when a weapon is considered too good. It’s what happened to the Bearded Axe. People said it was OP because of its speed. They slowed it down and now it’s one of the weakest weapons in the game.


  • Mod

    @Flippy:

    No sense in over-nerfing it. “Let’s take away everything that makes this weapon good.” seems to be what everyone wants to do when a weapon is considered too good. It’s what happened to the Bearded Axe. People said it was OP because of its speed. They slowed it down and now it’s one of the weakest weapons in the game.

    That’s why I said slightly reduce the release, nothing major. Making it useless isn’t balance, but neither is having it be able to drag for days and hook around everything with very little effort.



  • @Flippy:

    No sense in over-nerfing it. “Let’s take away everything that makes this weapon good.” seems to be what everyone wants to do when a weapon is considered too good. It’s what happened to the Bearded Axe. People said it was OP because of its speed. They slowed it down and now it’s one of the weakest weapons in the game.

    Nobody said anything about the bearded axe, it was Crushed who had a tete a tete with Tibberius that resulted in its nerf. No lie. They didn’t even specify with how much TB changed it.

    The timing when it was changed was also pretty random. “We mad a bunch of bugfixes and oh yea Tibberius told me to put this bearded axe change into the code aswel”

    Bearded axe was hardly used, HWS was more of a pressing issue than the axe.

    This isn’t an over nerf, making a stab faster is hardly a nerf but more of a change in function and dragability.

    0.05 isn’t going to do anything to the overhead.

    It needs first and foremost the same anti handle hit treatement that polearms got before making any changes to timings.



  • It needs first and foremost the same anti handle hit treatement that polearms got before making any changes to timings.

    If you’re going to do that then you have to do it to every sword in one patch.



  • @Flippy:

    If you’re going to do that then you have to do it to every sword in one patch.

    Absolutely.


  • Global Moderator

    Make the release a tad faster on the stab.

    Why use the Zweihander currently?


  • Mod

    @lemonater47:

    Why use the Zweihander currently?

    Because it looks cooler.



  • Zwei is usefull actually, the drags on it are insane and it has 2 HTK on knight.

    Too bad its rendered useless by the mid combo hittrading bs.


  • Global Moderator

    @Kim:

    Because it looks cooler.

    Ahh yes. The one thing that makes the zwei OP. It looks too cool.



  • @Sophax:

    Zwei is usefull actually, the drags on it are insane and it has 2 HTK on knight.

    Too bad its rendered useless by the mid combo hittrading bs.

    yeah i have to CFTP almost every attack vs hit traders

    i dont even drag against them, i just go for accelerated overheads and hope i flinch them out of release or at least avoid being hit with the absurd range the zwei has



  • Overhead Windup to .6, that is all it needs, nothing more.



  • Zwei is a wonderful weapon in Pub matches. The 1 hitting of archer torso’s is also so delicious. A hit + swift kick to MAA is also as delectable. The range of it also makes it quite tasty to steal kills and top score like a boss.