Make Weapon Parry Box



  • Ashvins, as a rank 50+ with 2000+ hours of Duels and LTS, I’d very much like to show you how easily I can render your parries completely useless with nothing more than simple drags and intentional misses.

    You’d have a very hard time taking me 1v1 unless you can take proper initiative (which is not hard at all with the current hit trade meta) or feint the ever living fuck out of me.

    I’d use nothing more than the longsword.



  • @randomlvl40+:

    Ashvins, as a rank 50+ with 2000+ hours of Duels and LTS, I’d very much like to show you how easily I can render your parries completely useless with nothing more than simple drags and intentional misses.

    You’d have a very hard time taking me 1v1 unless you can take proper initiative (which is not hard at all with the current hit trade meta) or feint the ever living fuck out of me.

    I’d use nothing more than the longsword.

    top kek 2000+ hour pub star 2gud for your petty skill lvl ashvins

    ​I can use a messer and only hit trade to beat you m8, chiv is a joke

    learning curve is hard, mastery curve is easy

    your drags and positioning are incredibly easy to block, and the only way to actually do well is to spin2win/hit trade spam/feint spam

    legitimate playstyles are honestly really easy to beat, which is the neato part about this game

    if you intentionally miss you’re a joke player and you’re losing the stam war

    needless to even add this, but loadouts are incredibly imbalanced and there are way too many inconsistencies in this game for duels to mean anything.

    lack of flinch consistency makes teamplay a joke too tho.



  • alright, i didn’t want to convert this decent thread into a e-penis competition, we can meet any time to prove my point. You clearly haven’t seen top tier players yet, and how impossible it is to get around them without those ‘‘techniques’’ i mentioned including feinting.

    This change would make parrying harder to master in a good way. Less buttparrying or parrying while facing the wrong way, better footwork, less caveman, indirect nerf to backswing breakdance party playstyle.

    Help me out and find some negative aspects, i can’t think of any….and please, at least have recent comp scene experience.



  • Instant repostes are easily parryiable.

    ROs are easily parryiable and easy to dodge even as a fucking knight.

    Spin2win style is easy as fuck to read especially if you just fucking take a few steps back to watch.

    Hit trade meta is easy to combat as long as you know how to Feint to Parry.

    I bet you guys still think that MAA is op too, right?

    Huggles, if I wanted to I could explain exactly how every butt parry you’ve ever encountered happened and explain why its still your fault for letting them parry you.

    It is a very rare thing for someone to buttparry me because i know almost exactly where their parry hitbox is and how to aim my atracks so that they wont make contack with it.

    I would like to see parrying made harder and more skill based as much as any of you.

    But simply making the parry hit box smaller ( even if you shape it to each weapon) without changing anything else will only end in parrying being completely useless for everyone.

    Also I’ve scrimmed plenty of times to know that a lot of US comp players are willing to intentionally miss an attack or ten if they feel its worth the stamina.



  • Since you’re online, how about we settle this right now?, add me on steam (sent you my steam code)

    I’m inviting you so we can leave the big talk out of this thread, you’re talking from a pub stomper perspective, i don’t see how you can back up everything you’ve said with words.



  • @randomlvl40+:

    Instant repostes are easily parryiable.

    ROs are easily parryiable and easy to dodge even as a fucking knight.

    Spin2win style is easy as fuck to read especially if you just fucking take a few steps back to watch.

    Hit trade meta is easy to combat as long as you know how to Feint to Parry.

    I bet you guys still think that MAA is op too, right?

    Huggles, if I wanted to I could explain exactly how every butt parry you’ve ever encountered happened and explain why its still your fault for letting them parry you.

    It is a very rare thing for someone to buttparry me because i know almost exactly where their parry hitbox is and how to aim my atracks so that they wont make contack with it.

    I would like to see parrying made harder and more skill based as much as any of you.

    But simply making the parry hit box smaller ( even if you shape it to each weapon) without changing anything else will only end in parrying being completely useless for everyone.

    Also I’ve scrimmed plenty of times to know that a lot of US comp players are willing to intentionally miss an attack or ten if they feel its worth the stamina.

    top kek, please pm me your steam username so I can prove a point. Continuing

    spin2win usually goes to the extent to breaking animations and is a really gimmicky and stupid way to play that usually is only used while dueling. In comp play reversals are only really used to hit multiple opponents and target switching like a boss. That being said it’s ridiculous how risk free it is to completely turn your back away from someone in a duel.

    My fault for letting them parry me?

    wut

    the base speeds and the inumerable amount of inconsistencies and random movement that can occur in any given engagement make it pure fact that you cannot drag and go through all the motions consistently.

    you can’t ctfp every single hit trade, and why should anyone be forced to give up their next initiative like that? Wasting stamina is not a good tactic because this game is stamina warfare 2014 and parrying is easy as fuck thus resulting in most duels being pure stam battles even with feints, in fact even more tbh. The only reliable drags are neck hits and side to the legs. Everything else is insnaely easy and predictable. Spin2win randomizes a lot of this tho.

    Feints are really the only thing in this game that makes it incredibly skillful atm, that’s the fucking problem tho. The only way to make this game enjoyable and high skill is to reintroduce flinch in release, decrease the parry box dramatically, and decrease base movement speeds. Trim down the bubble considerably as well, and remove sprint lockout.

    Make footwork actually a thing, and make dragging skillful again and parries take some fucking effort.

    The only things in the way of this, is the incompetence of the dev, not balance issues etc.



  • hmm i dont think its that reliable



  • @CRUSHED:

    so you can only parry like half of the attacks thrown at you? great reliability m8

    he means every other attack is easy mode and the above are trickier but still pretty easy if not over used and gimmicky because, as we already mentioned, everything else is wayyy to easy to parry and parry being easy indirectly makes the above used more often because there is 0 risk, very high reward.



  • yes parry so easy



  • @CRUSHED:

    yes parry so easy and yet youre nothing but a mediocre player

    I heard some talk in EU suggesting the same for the almighty messer hit trade lotto knight crushed. It always made me wonder why you supported theslashering because it pretty much cracked down on gimmicky lotto styles tbh

    that said, pretty sure if we were to duel you’d only be able to hit me with feints or b0ckswings

    even with the ridiculous ping I’d get in eu it would be easy. and I would back parry every attack you throw just to prove a point.

    top kek

    o wait, I heard eu doesn’t do the b0ckswing meta. You just take turns attempting to read feints and play the stamina game you think it would be the other way around.

    Can we all agree that the same reason no feint duels are boring, is the same reason feint duels are boring?



  • ehh, i like slasher



  • @Huggles:

    My fault for letting them parry me?

    wut

    Do you have any idea how the parry mechanic works, Huggles?

    If your weapon’s tracers at any point pass through the enemy’s parry hitbox and then make contact with their model, then they parry.

    What you are experiencing is your weapon hitting their parry hitbox at the same time you are hitting their model because you keep getting too damn close to them or something similar.

    This means if they buttparry your attack its because you got too close and failed to aim your instant hit around their parry hitbox.

    Now, if you reduce footspeed all around like you suggested, I can actually see reducing the size of the parry hittbox being a good thing.

    But the fact is that you LITTERALY cannot parry an attack unless your opponent chooses to land his attack (a decision that can be made in almost an instant by just dragging away) and reducing footspeed would really only make this worse.



  • @CRUSHED:

    so you can only parry like half of the attacks thrown at you? great reliability m8

    the whole game is balanced around feints, if you can read every feint youre the best player lol

    but ye complain about spin2win wtf lol wtf is that even ?

    I can parry 99% of attacks…sure i can’t parry some backswings with funny tracers, or instant spear/brandistock slash ripostes without 110% concentration. Parrying maa is a joke comparison.

    The reason i complain about spin2win playstyle is because it’s a big part of the current meta, why? because parrying everything else is so easy people have to rely on gimmicky weapons and playstyles like huggles said (spin2win + maul) just to get around the parries. Feinting is the only reliable tactic that we can use to bypass a parry

    If this game was balanced around feints every weapon would be viable without gimmicky playstyles, and sword animations wouldn’t be as strong, but that’s not the case…there’s a reason why some people want the 100% bubble back.



  • @CRUSHED:

    its an inside joke of the eu community you mongoloid. the people that actually dislike me think entire lions cheat because we ****d the entire scene so hard it didnt recover. we trashed your team 14-0 with higher pings and YOU CRIED about ping when its actually much easier for the team with low ping then the one with highping. “even with the ridicoulus ping it would be easy” what? afaik you cried tears in that game because of ping LOLi like slasher cause it will be a fantastic melee game and lotto is pretty shit in that game i heard

    I left kt way before that scrim lol

    never played against an eu player but from what I see the duel game isn’t that stronk considering it’s turn taking + feint read + lotto

    the scrim meta is pretty much the same in NA tho

    parries are easy, proven fact.

    I don’t care how good you are, parrying is easy. We’re not talking about feints because feints mess with timings/anticipations/whatever but parrying any sort of drag is pretty fucking easy.

    I can read feints, but that has nothing to do with parrying being too easy.

    Point being, if you can’t get it through your thick skull

    PARRYING IS EASYYY

    PARRYING

    IS

    EASY

    EASY IS PARRYING

    PARRYING IS EASYYYYY

    You z stab I block the totally wrong direction, I still parry it.

    You jump stab, I look down to parry, I parry it

    it requires general timing and that’s it.



  • Insulting someone’s skill level to prove a point about the game being too easy? If anything here I’ll agree with you. I’m bad k?

    I’m a terrible shitty player

    why am I even in the comp scene then?

    ……because PARRYING

    IS

    EASYYYYYYY

    It’s not hard to get good at this game, the learning curve is crazy hard, the mastery curve is easy.

    please shaddup



  • @CRUSHED:

    yes parry so easy and yet youre nothing but a mediocre player

    LOL if a mediocre player can parry 90% of drags then just imagine a good player (i can confirm he can). Make parrying harder and you get Huggles out of the comp scene ;)

    It’s not surprising though, you practice against good players and eventually you’ll parry every drag thrown at you.



  • @Huggles:

    never played against an eu player but from what I see the duel game isn’t that stronk considering it’s turn taking + feint read + lotto

    the scrim meta is pretty much the same in NA tho

    i can never get to play in the kendos because sophax is before me and just solos it everytime against na clans :(

    na duel level is not even remotely close to eu lol, you cry about spin2win… there was only raw boner who was really good but he doesnt play anymore, spook and some other tempest guys are good too

    lol the scrim meta is nowhere near the same

    but yy parry 2 easy proven fact by huggles



  • @CRUSHED:

    i can never get to play in the kendos because sophax is before me and just solos it everytime against na clans :(

    na duel level is not even remotely close to eu lol, you cry about spin2win… there was only raw boner who was really good but he doesnt play anymore, spook and some other tempest guys are good too

    lol the scrim meta is nowhere near the same

    but yy parry 2 easy proven fact by huggles

    the only argument you gave was “good players can’t parry sometimes, therefore parry box shouldn’t be changed”

    wut

    it’s so silly, anyone with some common sense would agree with me this game is 50% timing 40% feint reading 5% aiming 5% footwork

    it’s so ridiculous how one sided the skill set is.

    if you can generally time things well, have a fast reaction, you’re good at the game.

    not enough structuring and lining and strining and coordination involved.

    just barebone skills

    hopefully this won’t be the case at all in slasher, and it will actually require tactical stringing and set ups to be good. Instead of “I can read feints HUE, I can press parry at the right time HUE” because that’s literally all this game is.

    people confuse skill ceiling with learning cruve, chiv has a very high learning curve and a very low skill ceiling.

    You get to the point where the only thing you can get better at is feintreading, and that’s boring.

    feints should be an added mechanic not the focus of the game.

    The only argument against are the technical side of things i.e torn banner can’t make it happen if they poured the rest of their modding lives to do it.

    which I think it’s false because it’s pretty easy to just at the very least drastically change the values of the parry box



  • @Huggles:

    common sense would agree with me this game is 50% timing 40% feint reading 5% aiming 5% footwork

    TOP KEK if you are a noob standing still trading blows lulz tbh

    top kek



  • @gregcau:

    TOP KEK if you are a noob standing still trading blows lulz tbh

    top kek

    my point is there isn’t nearly as much necessity in footwork as there should be, footwork and lining should be the focus in any melee game, no pure reaction time.

    Footwork is a very good boost in chiv, but it should be much more emphasized and critical, so should set ups and lining.

    If you parry the wrong side you should get hit, if you parry the right side but are wayy off balance, you should get hit.

    Simple as that


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