FN Steam's new TOS, join the cause.



  • Quit Holding Our Games Hostage!

    More info on the community page with more stories.

    Join our protest against Steam…
    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/yesfks

    Now Valve is Trying to Stop People Suing Them, Too
    http://kotaku.com/5930705/now-valve-is-trying-to-stop-people-suing-them-too



  • @Retsnom:

    Quit Holding Our Games Hostage!

    More info on the community page with more stories.

    Join our protest against Steam…
    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/yesfks

    Now Valve is Trying to Stop People Suing Them, Too
    http://kotaku.com/5930705/now-valve-is-trying-to-stop-people-suing-them-too

    When I turned on my computer this morning, i accepted some things on steam, didn’t read it… thought it was an update… was it… this ? and what is it really about (in a short sentence) ? :S



  • Its sort of a balancing game. on one hand it stops the greedy slobs who will jump at the chance to sue any one or any thing for selfish gain money money money and more DOSH!!! Then on the other hand if something where to truly go wrong there would be many who would feel like they got the short end of the stick because the reimbursement is handled by Valve rather then by your local lawyer. then its a matter of who is in charge. if valve was run by sinister scamming devils that wanted to run you out of your every penny, then I’m sure they would introduce a new agreement WITH OUT a private arbitration hearing and no compensation for lost goods. looking at it from Vales angle, its best to let the businesses men worry about the business. if you want something to riot over other then a few lost bucks then I urge you to watch this video.

    VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED> rated {R} for Real Life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo&list=PL2F44AC9CDA5EB618&index=1&feature=plpp_video



  • Hmm… I think I’ll actually read this TOS agreement. Let me get back to you.

    I accepted the TOS. I know that my access to my Steam games isn’t set in stone. If my account is cancelled that’s all my money spend on those titles gone. Steam is convenient, but reading the TOS made me very aware that I’m not free to do as I please with my games there. Not that I would do anything they wouldn’t like, but I don’t like being told not to.



  • wow that video is really out of context but thanks for playing. Look it is really simple, you are/were not allowed to access the games you paid for unless you agreed to the new TOS. Period. Not only that, but now you are forced to go through Steam’s arbitration secret process and you have to accept what they offer and like it because you cannot appeal it. You still can take them to small claims court but you cannot join a class action suit if it is discovered that they have done something to many people. So lets look at this. Lets say you the consumer has bought 50-75 games though Steam. They are yours to play and do with in the legal realms of the law. Lets say you spent $30 a game, that is up too = $2250. Now lets say a hacker cracked your account, bought a ton more games on your account and did a bunch of shit that got your account suspended. Not only are all your games no longer accessible unless you signed the agreement, you have to deal with their arbitration process and if you lose, that is it, end of story. Now will their TOS actually stand up in court? Probably not as you cannot sign away your right to sue under US law.

    This goes further though as this sets up a precedence of the ignorant customer (you) for not reading and understanding what you agree too AND being forced into something while keeping your property (games you paid for) under hostage till you agree. This is just bad policy period.
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    So I am encouraging all to join our protest, the Steam Group and to not buy games through Steam.



  • Looks like I missed the point on this one, thanks for setting me straight. I am going to look a little more into the whole TOS deal before making a decision but I may join the group after all.

    as for the video I linked, I take every opportunity I can find to share that in hopes it will open some people’s eyes to the real world so that in theory, next time they feel like bitching about something they will remember it can always be worse.



  • Does anyone know if this is also an action to counter the current rules and regulations regarding trading games / accounts etc?

    As it stands currently in the EU, if you’ve bought a game you own the rights to that game and can sell it on / trade it on, but not full accounts as such.

    was mentioned not long ago that Valve may of wanted to do something to stop that, because legally they couldn’t stop people asking for a game to change accounts as they had bought that game and therefore they owned that game and could trade it lol.



  • I can see few good reason why valve decide it .

    For example :

    I heard a story for an old woman in USA sueing McDonalds for not warning that the coffee they offer is hot - 1 million for her ….

    Still I think their new ToS is more bad rather than good for the steam community as a whole & for outside valve developers using steam just as distributing system .

    I heard months ago that gamedevelopers don’t consider distributing their game with steam , because the conditions will violate their policy …

    They shouldn’t force developers to change aspects of their game to fit some generic valve model .


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