Hello Everyone, Some Feedback for the Developers



  • @The:

    Hey, I think I bumped into you in the only server that I could actually find a slot in the whole week end.
    Good constructive feedback, but I think the “more free week ends” bit isn’t a really good idea. I had to stick mostly with offline mode this week end, very hard to find a slot on the servers.

    I feel you, I really do. SMNC, another of my favorite games that sadly isn’t doing so well right now, had a similar issue.

    The game needed more players, but new players just weren’t any fun to play with. I view the resulting alienation of the incoming player base as one of the things that really hurt the game in the end.

    Like I said, a new game like this thrives on exposure, and developers openly welcoming new players into their game, allowing them to try before buying could be a great tool.



  • @LuckyThirteen:

    Like I said, a new game like this thrives on exposure, and developers openly welcoming new players into their game, allowing them to try before buying could be a great tool.

    I think it would be better to give 30 minutes trial to everyone with a steam account.
    (Maybe restrict it to accounts that already have at least 1 paid game to avoid abuses).

    I remember buying Battlefield 1943 on Xbox360, after they allowed 30 mins trial for everyone. I tried it, I liked it, I bought it.



  • @HandsomeHodge:

    @LuckyThirteen:

    Damage Numbers, Objective Progress at the top of the screen, score values popping up when acquired.

    I like these ones.

    Breaks immersion completely. This isn’t an MMO ffs.



  • Hey LuckyThirteen, thanks for the kind words and thought out feedback. Bug fixing is definitely a priority - we’re cleaving through a lot of them in this patch, and the next patch now that all this content that’s been in the works for a while is ready will be focused even more around polishing up the mechanics to be as bugfree as possible, as well as adding other usability features that’ve been requested. And you’re right on the money again, because after that our focus will be on getting an SDK out so we can finally see all the cool stuff the community has been eager to make for Chivalry.

    I have to echo what others have said about more info on the HUD however. It was a design decision that your HUD should be as minimal as possible in Chivalry - hence why objective markers (which also show ammo boxes for you, by the way) can be toggled on and off on the fly, and your health and stamina bars only appear when they aren’t full.

    We don’t have damage spread of any kind in this game - you either hit or miss. Furthermore, small damage numbers don’t matter so much, because of the few hits required to kill an enemy; what players have to be most aware of is how many hits required for the kill. So I don’t think displaying damage numbers is really that important in Chivalry, because once you get a feel for the weapons you’ll always have a pretty good idea of how many more hits you’ll need to kill an enemy. I played TF2 with damage numbers and hit sounds enabled because I found it really improved the experience, since you rarely knew how much damage you were doing in that game - but I never have that problem in Chivalry.

    As for showing score values - well, you get points for doing objectives and killing enemies. If enemies are dying or you’re near the objective, you’re probably getting points ;) Objective progress is also already displayed via the objective markers and on the scoreboard, so having it at the top of your screen as well would be a little redundant.

    Oh, and as far as exposure goes - more really cool stuff is definitely coming up in both the short and long term, but I can’t say anything about it now. Stay tuned! :D



  • If you’re worried about your points, hold TAB…



  • @SlyGoat:

    Hey LuckyThirteen, thanks for the kind words and thought out feedback. Bug fixing is definitely a priority - we’re cleaving through a lot of them in this patch, and the next patch now that all this content that’s been in the works for a while is ready will be focused even more around polishing up the mechanics to be as bugfree as possible, as well as adding other usability features that’ve been requested. And you’re right on the money again, because after that our focus will be on getting an SDK out so we can finally see all the cool stuff the community has been eager to make for Chivalry.

    I have to echo what others have said about more info on the HUD however. It was a design decision that your HUD should be as minimal as possible in Chivalry - hence why objective markers (which also show ammo boxes for you, by the way) can be toggled on and off on the fly, and your health and stamina bars only appear when they aren’t full.

    We don’t have damage spread of any kind in this game - you either hit or miss. Furthermore, small damage numbers don’t matter so much, because of the few hits required to kill an enemy; what players have to be most aware of is how many hits required for the kill. So I don’t think displaying damage numbers is really that important in Chivalry, because once you get a feel for the weapons you’ll always have a pretty good idea of how many more hits you’ll need to kill an enemy. I played TF2 with damage numbers and hit sounds enabled because I found it really improved the experience, since you rarely knew how much damage you were doing in that game - but I never have that problem in Chivalry.

    As for showing score values - well, you get points for doing objectives and killing enemies. If enemies are dying or you’re near the objective, you’re probably getting points ;) Objective progress is also already displayed via the objective markers and on the scoreboard, so having it at the top of your screen as well would be a little redundant.

    Oh, and as far as exposure goes - more really cool stuff is definitely coming up in both the short and long term, but I can’t say anything about it now. Stay tuned! :D

    All this is pretty much why I love the game so much. Everything is really minimal and small so that all focus goes to the fighting and the game rewards you richly with score for doing objectives, even more than the guy who goes around killing.

    What I have noticed about this game is that it is VERY visual dependent.
    All the information you ever need can be seen. If an enemy is bleeding a lot, he’s on very low health and would most definitely die by a Dagger Stab. Wind-ups can be seen and predicted, giving you a chance to block. Arrows have a visible tail of air behind it, making it easy to find the archers. All important objectives are highlighted with a small arrow and text. Etc etc.
    In a sense, it’s almost a skill to keep attention to everything. Keeping your head cool and make sure that all your attention goes on the Knight that’s about to cut it off is something that you need to learn. Thankfully to all of my previous experience in Mount and Blade, it’s pretty much second nature to me now.

    Now, this doesn’t mean that you don’t have valid complaints. I just think that you need to look at this from a game designs point of view.



  • Nice OP.

    To throw in my tuppence worth… I’m a “less is more” voter on HUD stuff.



  • @LuckyThirteen:

    Lastly, the UI could really use some touching up. Damage Numbers Ala Tf2, Objective Progress at the top of the screen, make ammo containers more obvious so I don’t have no idea where they are until I’m on my last arrow. Hit sounds, score values popping up when acquired, round clock. There’s a lot that could be added to better the experience.

    Damage numbers I dont like, its too distracting and reduces immersion.

    Objective progress you can press tab to see.

    Agree on the ammo containers, can be a pain to find until you learn the maps.

    Hit sounds would be nice.

    No score values.



  • I would actually be more happy if there were more sounds indicating that you’re low on stamina. I curse the stupid lag or my keyboard when the game does not let me kick and then realize that I had insufficient stamina (not gone, just insufficient for the kick).
    Although the last point does not really matter, there is not much sound when the stamina bar is empty either…

    I don’t care about the stamina bar, I don’t have time for that while fighting, rather have some audio (heavy breathing, heartbeat, crying baby etc.) ques.



  • You start breathing very heavily when you’re out of stamina, think you need to crank up the volume ;)



  • There is actually a server side command for showing damage numbers ingame already. It also shows stamina consumed for each action and is kind of fun to mess around with once or twice, but I really am glad they do not display all the time. Like others have said, once you get a feel for the weapons and have a look at the damage charts there is no need for it to show ingame.



  • @KingOfPolarBears:

    You start breathing very heavily when you’re out of stamina, think you need to crank up the volume ;)

    Compared tot he rest of the sounds it is actually not that loud.
    Can I just raise the stamina sounds? I want to be able to hear my friends over voice chat during the game and thus not raise all the fighting sounds that are irrelevant also. (I am very visually oriented, with much noise of the game I cannot hear talking people correctly :x )

    I can hear everything fine but I never even noticed the heavy breathing actually…



  • Maybe they should make the Stamina bar flash / pulse slightly when it is that low that you can’t excecute the action you’re trying to do? (Like a kick).


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