(if a mod might move this to bugs or support, I was looking at the Torn Banner Studios level rather than the forum level. Why that page even exists is a mystery.)

EDIT: Solved. Not chiv.

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Yeah a better flail/heavy flail would be nice. I sometimes use it for the visual, but it’s a definite handicap.

I think it’s problem largely stems from the tracers. From the first person animation it looks like a good wide arc, but you’re basically limited to the front 90°.

Otherwise like all short weapons it falls into the trap of being vastly less versatile. The balance doesn’t give range enough weight across the board.

@SlyGoat:

Unlike parries, which only require a single tracer to collide with the parry box to deflect the attack, weapons colliding with terrain require a minimum amount of tracers to clip before it’ll deflect. This is to make close quarters combat less wonky where you barely brush a wall and your entire attack bounces.

Interesting, I tested it out and you are indeed right. The overhead does collide correctly in certain areas when the floor is made of complex geometry, but in most places it just ghosts straight through. I imagine it’s similar to how throwables used to ghost through most surfaces. They fixed that, I’m sure they could fix this.

And before anyone says, no it wouldn’t feel clunky. Whats clunky is watching an opponent pull 5 feet of halberd out of the dirt.

Not a bad map, but the run to the general on the last objective is too far, and the area where he inevitably ends up hiding is dark and uninteresting.

The game has become spammy.

Ever since flinch times were reduced the idea of initiative and defence has gone out the window.

As players who learned under the old system fall away and are replaced by people who started playing in the last six months I’ve begun to notice something: people aren’t evolving any more. You used to see a noob start out swinging at everything all the time and getting creamed, quickly they’d learn some defensive moves and go through a few fighting styles.

Now they don’t develop. Constant attack is rewarded so defence is never learned, and you end up with high level players who just don’t defend, ever.

A bit of back and forth in a fight used to be the rule, now it’s the exception. I miss it.

DW did deal with it nicely, but I don’t think we’re going to see DW swing tracers in MW any time soon.

And I deal with it fine, my problem isn’t that it kills me (it doesn’t) it’s that it looks crap and is at best a gimmick move. You didn’t address the change I suggested either, why would it be bad for swings that look like they hit the dirt to hit the dirt?

This is going to be about as welcome as a fart in spacesuit seeing how many top level players like to use this trick, but I’m going to say it: the reverse overhead is dumb.

You all know how it works and how effective it is so there’s no need to explain, but I find it overpowered, gimmicky and broken. It undermines a number of key mechanics, and looks pretty stupid to boot.

But you can’t really remove it, it exists because of this game’s (quite superb) hit detection and if you start messing with that you’ll break a number of other things. So I suggest a tweak to make it slightly harder to pull off:
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Add collision to the floor. Lean back too far and you’ll snag your weapon in the dirt.**

This’d make the move more skilful, as you’d have to find that sweet spot without overshooting your vertical, and you’d have to compensate for the weapon you’re using rather than applying the same technique blindly across classes and loadouts.

It’d also have a proportionally nerfing effect on the longer weapons which currently benefit most from the technique.

Honestly I don’t know why this hasn’t been in the game from day one. You have to watch your surroundings for all other swings to make sure you don’t clang into a wall or ceiling; look down too far and you’ll hit the floor; but somehow crouching down and pulling your sword from the earth like a low rent King Arthur has been encouraged.

Make it end. It’s weird. And silly.

‘Defeat’ when someone leaves is the big one. Worth a hotfix.