@Doomguyy said in Archers are comically underpowered.:
Shadowbane, idk what you want Chivalry 2 to become but we don’t want it to be a Counter Strike game where you can snipe people from ACROSS the map with a longbow and one-shot them. Come on dude, that is not even how Longbows in history were used if you are all gonna be a history buff and bring up stone age bows and 14th century stuff. They actually came up close and shot you in formations, they didn’t do long-range of kilometres and volleyed you. If devs listen to you, you are gonna get this game killed, it has already gotten people to leave just because of how nasty archers are at the moment. Now we are not gonna stand by and just let it happen. A lot of ALPHA players had begged the devs to nerf archers but they didn’t.
You are so invested in being a huge archer nerd that you want more buffs than they already have! You can two-shot almost all classes if not ALL classes with a crossbow. You can one-shot most enemies because they are often already wounded xD and just claim the kill for yourself. Vanguards, one of the best classes in the game, are dying left and right and your complaints are what exactly? Fix hitboxes? Add more damage to your sniper rifle bows then they already have? The only thing people have going for them are shields and I bet you’d want Shields to be removed so you can be babysit into shooting people in a gorge and owning the entire team with your Legolas shooting skills.
You bring up history and bla bla, unaware that if this game went fully historically accurate, all arrows, even crossbow bolts would most likely bounce off unless it hit the Plate Armor’s joints, so please don’t bring up realism into this, your argument would fall off even flatter than it already has. You also say how an argument falls flat due to the fact it is fallacious… when so many of your arguments are so fallacious that you are contradicting yourself and only people who want archers to be broken even more would ever agree with you on this.
The only thing I can accept with you is the hitbox issues, they are janky but they are also janky in melee so its not just an archer thing. If I can dunk people with a crossbow, get 40 kills and not even 3 deaths because of my good position, get good in archery and stop crying like a little boy.
Everything else you said… is… peanuts
- Never made any claim nor suggestion that would result in that claimed scenario. No need for logical fallacies.
2.) Looks like you don’t even know your history at all. The bow used in real military combat, like you are describing were used in a way that the bow itself was designed. The Longbow which was actually most promiment 13th - 14th century-ish… was designed for a longer draw capability from the user which allowed longer ranged shots with some precision. Obviously this precision decreased with mobile targets and charging forces, and the use of the Longbow was effective as an ancient form of long-range suppressive fire for an average effective range of 200-400yds. Longbows were also not recurved, and typically used a different arrow weight than other bow types.
There were bows, typically much shorter than the Longbow with different typical arrow weights and head weight for short distance engagements. These are more of the typical short-bow, mounted design, and/or recurve design. The shorter bow is typically that which would be used by more of weapon to fire off in closer combat, especially at a charge or during a charge if the user was mounted themselves.
No one claimed any of the bows fired “km” (which doesnt even make sense given the scope of Chiv 2 maps anyway) but they certainy were used in disciplined volleys… when used by disciplined armies (which is where they got most of their use).
3.) You seem to be very adamant in filling your argument with logical fallacies which makes it nothing more than amusing. It doesn’t matter if players in ALPHA were begging for nerfs or they werent. This has nothing to do with what is actual balance, which is observed through proper performance data analysis in combination with contextual evidence. Not the vocal minority thinking they are mob rule.
4.) Strawman… oh… Strawman. If you employed reading comprehension you would have read the part where I already covered Crossbow.
5.) You realize fixing hitboxes fixes it for ALL classes and ALL types of combat right? 0/10
6.) Never once made a claim I want shields to be removed.
You clearly do not even know what the term “fallacious” even means.
All in all you failed to even make a sound argument once. Please try again. Next time with less emotion and more logic.